Comments on: My visit to a private school http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html "The laws and constitution of the people...should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles." (D&C 101:77) Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:14:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Past student http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-1467 Past student Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:14:29 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-1467 Nearly seven years ago, I graduated from Carden Memorial School. I am grateful that I was able to attend this private school, as it made a big impact on my life. It allowed me to value my education, taught me respect and service to others, and much more. I still clearly remember reciting the pledge in French and English, scriptures, poems, and meditations. It is funny to think back to my first day at a public high school. I was shocked when the students just got up to leave when the bell rang, rather than waiting to be excused. I credit carden for instilling in me the work ethic that allowed me to attain a full ride academic scholarship at the University of Utah. I highly recommend Carden. Nearly seven years ago, I graduated from Carden Memorial School. I am grateful that I was able to attend this private school, as it made a big impact on my life. It allowed me to value my education, taught me respect and service to others, and much more. I still clearly remember reciting the pledge in French and English, scriptures, poems, and meditations. It is funny to think back to my first day at a public high school. I was shocked when the students just got up to leave when the bell rang, rather than waiting to be excused. I credit carden for instilling in me the work ethic that allowed me to attain a full ride academic scholarship at the University of Utah. I highly recommend Carden.

]]> By: Bailey McDougal http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-956 Bailey McDougal Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:00:50 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-956 I completely disagree with the racism fact!!! And the holding kids upside down!!! First of all mr. Jeffs probably hasn't been able to do that for over 20 years!!! Also about the racism, I still remember Martin Luther king quotes to this day and never once did I hear racist comment at carden!!! I completely disagree with the racism fact!!! And the holding kids upside down!!! First of all mr. Jeffs probably hasn’t been able to do that for over 20 years!!! Also about the racism, I still remember Martin Luther king quotes to this day and never once did I hear racist comment at carden!!!

]]> By: lacey http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-924 lacey Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:55:16 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-924 im a student at carden im it 8th grade and have been here since kindergarten i lov carden its such a wonderul school and i dont want to leave it will be very sad when i have to. people thing private schools are boring schools with bratty people but carden isent carden is wonderful! im a student at carden im it 8th grade and have been here since kindergarten i lov carden its such a wonderul school and i dont want to leave it will be very sad when i have to. people thing private schools are boring schools with bratty people but carden isent carden is wonderful!

]]> By: Lynda Horne http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-922 Lynda Horne Wed, 09 Mar 2011 04:33:39 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-922 Dear Be Advised: Carden has come a long way since you've been there. The teachers now quote Martin Luther in their classes, and his contributions are included every January during the weekly devotional. Racism is not tolerated among the staff nor the student body. I'm sorry your experience wasn't more positive. Dear Be Advised: Carden has come a long way since you’ve been there. The teachers now quote Martin Luther in their classes, and his contributions are included every January during the weekly devotional. Racism is not tolerated among the staff nor the student body. I’m sorry your experience wasn’t more positive.

]]> By: Be Advised http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-918 Be Advised Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:23:10 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-918 I am an ex-teacher at Carden Memorial Private School and though the majority of their staff is well trained and the kids are well behaved, it should be noted that their curriculum is not in line with the standard "Carden" curriculum, hence the addition of "Memorial" in their title. This means a few things, most notably that they spend little or no time emphasizing Martin Luther King, his efforts, or any other efforts by black Americans. I would go as far as to say they "gloss over" the African American contribution entirely. Furthermore, the friendly "Mr. Jeffs" you speak of frequently asked me to round up all of his "usual suspects" whenever a classroom crime had been committed. Suffice it to say, all of these students were of some ethnic background. I still recall walking into his office to pick up these poor lads after being interrogated only to see Jeffs holding one of them upside down by the boys ankles and shaking him. Jeffs looked over at me. He seemed obviously amused, the boy however was not. There are a lot of great teachers there that should be commended. But 8k a year to teach racism is a little steep. We expect institutions like this to take the higher road. This is one insider who has kids and has chosen to send them elsewhere. I am an ex-teacher at Carden Memorial Private School and though the majority of their staff is well trained and the kids are well behaved, it should be noted that their curriculum is not in line with the standard “Carden” curriculum, hence the addition of “Memorial” in their title. This means a few things, most notably that they spend little or no time emphasizing Martin Luther King, his efforts, or any other efforts by black Americans. I would go as far as to say they “gloss over” the African American contribution entirely. Furthermore, the friendly “Mr. Jeffs” you speak of frequently asked me to round up all of his “usual suspects” whenever a classroom crime had been committed. Suffice it to say, all of these students were of some ethnic background. I still recall walking into his office to pick up these poor lads after being interrogated only to see Jeffs holding one of them upside down by the boys ankles and shaking him. Jeffs looked over at me. He seemed obviously amused, the boy however was not.

There are a lot of great teachers there that should be commended. But 8k a year to teach racism is a little steep. We expect institutions like this to take the higher road.

This is one insider who has kids and has chosen to send them elsewhere.

]]> By: Bailey McDougal http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-917 Bailey McDougal Wed, 09 Feb 2011 06:41:50 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-917 I graduated from carden last year, this school was the best thing that ever happened to me !(2010) The teachers there actually do care, when I forgot to turn in work or did not do it (I totally regret) the teacher would remind me and ask if I knew how to do it. If I did not know how, they gladly took time to help me figure it out by using different tactics to get the information to stick in my head. Carden also has an amazing drama teacher/history teacher (Mrs. Smith). In 7th and 8th grade, your grade would perform a play that was written by Shakespeare. This not only teaches how to perform infront of your peers, but also teaches you the way they spoke and the time period in which it was written. And finally the biggest thing I miss about carden is "the teaching table" where you have one on one time with the teacher. This is very helpful, because you can ask questions on your homework and class work. I MISS CARDEN AND WISH THEY HAD A HIGH SCHOOL!!! I graduated from carden last year, this school was the best thing that ever happened to me !(2010) The teachers there actually do care, when I forgot to turn in work or did not do it (I totally regret) the teacher would remind me and ask if I knew how to do it. If I did not know how, they gladly took time to help me figure it out by using different tactics to get the information to stick in my head. Carden also has an amazing drama teacher/history teacher (Mrs. Smith). In 7th and 8th grade, your grade would perform a play that was written by Shakespeare. This not only teaches how to perform infront of your peers, but also teaches you the way they spoke and the time period in which it was written.
And finally the biggest thing I miss about carden is “the teaching table” where you have one on one time with the teacher. This is very helpful, because you can ask questions on your homework and class work.

I MISS CARDEN AND WISH THEY HAD A HIGH SCHOOL!!!

]]> By: Graham Nixon http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-626 Graham Nixon Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:14:59 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-626 I loved reading this letter. My wife and I toured Carden last year on an unannounced visit with our now 2yr old boy. We still talk about the visit with him, and he remembers it all. He had wandered up to one of the classrooms and heard the children singing a song he knew. All the children were in uniform and extremely well behaved. As they moved between classrooms, they also appeared to be happy. Staff there were more than willing to show us around and answer all our questions. What an incredibly impressive school this is. It reminds me of the school I attended as a child growing up in the UK. We are moving from California, and while we could live virtually anywhere in the valley, we definitely want to be close to this school. I loved reading this letter. My wife and I toured Carden last year on an unannounced visit with our now 2yr old boy. We still talk about the visit with him, and he remembers it all. He had wandered up to one of the classrooms and heard the children singing a song he knew. All the children were in uniform and extremely well behaved. As they moved between classrooms, they also appeared to be happy. Staff there were more than willing to show us around and answer all our questions. What an incredibly impressive school this is. It reminds me of the school I attended as a child growing up in the UK. We are moving from California, and while we could live virtually anywhere in the valley, we definitely want to be close to this school.

]]> By: Anne Stewart http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-625 Anne Stewart Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:14:41 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-625 I attended Carden and it is nice to see that not much has changed. I miss the reverence and the well behaved students…It is sure different in a public school environment. I attended Carden and it is nice to see that not much has changed. I miss the reverence and the well behaved students…It is sure different in a public school environment.

]]> By: Amelinda http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-624 Amelinda Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:14:02 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-624 I am a past graduate of Carden Memorial School, as well as Judge Memorial Catholic High School. Both schools offered an amazing education and shaped the person that I am today. I have a 13 month old son and my dream is for him to attend Carden Memorial and Judge Memorial and have the opportunity to learn the same valuable lessons that I learned. Carden Memorial School allows children to be children and in our society today, that is something that is sadly lacking. I am a past graduate of Carden Memorial School, as well as Judge Memorial Catholic High School. Both schools offered an amazing education and shaped the person that I am today. I have a 13 month old son and my dream is for him to attend Carden Memorial and Judge Memorial and have the opportunity to learn the same valuable lessons that I learned. Carden Memorial School allows children to be children and in our society today, that is something that is sadly lacking.

]]> By: ACP http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-623 ACP Thu, 21 May 2009 20:13:17 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-623 As a mother of 8 children with children attending 3 different elementary schools, two different Junior high schools and two different High Schools in two different school districts. My lowly opinion is that some public schools do a lot better job than others. I know for a fact that it depends very much on the district, which I’m sure depends on who the administrators are and what they feel is important. It also depends on the principal and their attitude and definitely the teachers. The secret is to get good dedicated, ambitious, caring administrators, principals and teachers. Teaching is a very tiring and trying profession. I’ve seen too many cases of burn out and then they get lazy and don’t care any more on all levels. Many people in the teaching profession teach a few years and then figure out that they don’t like it and wish they had gone into a different profession, but it’s too difficult to change professions. I think it’s a problem that can only be changed one person at a time. As a mother of 8 children with children attending 3 different elementary schools, two different Junior high schools and two different High Schools in two different school districts. My lowly opinion is that some public schools do a lot better job than others. I know for a fact that it depends very much on the district, which I’m sure depends on who the administrators are and what they feel is important. It also depends on the principal and their attitude and definitely the teachers. The secret is to get good dedicated, ambitious, caring administrators, principals and teachers. Teaching is a very tiring and trying profession. I’ve seen too many cases of burn out and then they get lazy and don’t care any more on all levels. Many people in the teaching profession teach a few years and then figure out that they don’t like it and wish they had gone into a different profession, but it’s too difficult to change professions. I think it’s a problem that can only be changed one person at a time.

]]> By: Matthew Piccolo http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-622 Matthew Piccolo Mon, 11 May 2009 20:12:49 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-622 Glenden- Thanks for adding your experience at Judge Memorial. Scott- Good questions. I have some ideas that I think would improve public schools, but I just don’t know how much they can be improved given the reality of their nature as you’ve described it. Reach- Charter schools are an interesting concept. I’ve never been to one but have heard a little about them. I imagine that since they’re still public schools they’re not going to be much better than traditional public schools. Yes, my public school experience was pretty good. Well, that was all I knew, so maybe it could have been much better, which is my final thought in the post. But I do think that Utah’s public schools do a pretty good job with the resources they’ve got. I’m just afraid that they’ll only decline as time goes on. Glenden-
Thanks for adding your experience at Judge Memorial.

Scott-
Good questions. I have some ideas that I think would improve public schools, but I just don’t know how much they can be improved given the reality of their nature as you’ve described it.

Reach-
Charter schools are an interesting concept. I’ve never been to one but have heard a little about them. I imagine that since they’re still public schools they’re not going to be much better than traditional public schools.

Yes, my public school experience was pretty good. Well, that was all I knew, so maybe it could have been much better, which is my final thought in the post. But I do think that Utah’s public schools do a pretty good job with the resources they’ve got. I’m just afraid that they’ll only decline as time goes on.

]]> By: Reach Upward http://www.justandholy.org/my-visit-to-a-private-school.html/comment-page-1#comment-621 Reach Upward Mon, 11 May 2009 20:12:16 +0000 http://justandholy.blogsome.com/2009/05/08/my-visit-to-a-private-school/#comment-621 You say that your experience with public school was great. Mine was much less so. My public school years were nothing short of socially and academically painful for me. Somehow I survived. My three youngest children have attended a new charter school this year. In many ways it is an improvement over the the standard public school, although, there are some trade offs. Students wear school uniforms. Many of the teachers are caring and dedicated. (None are union members.) Still, this school is a far cry from the private school experience you have discussed. Reverent is not a term I would ascribe to my children’s school. The school uses the expeditionary learning model. There is discipline, but there is also a lot of getting up, moving around, talking, collaborating, going outside of the classroom, etc. A stranger walking into my children’s school would probably consider it rather irreverent. You say that your experience with public school was great. Mine was much less so. My public school years were nothing short of socially and academically painful for me. Somehow I survived.

My three youngest children have attended a new charter school this year. In many ways it is an improvement over the the standard public school, although, there are some trade offs. Students wear school uniforms. Many of the teachers are caring and dedicated. (None are union members.) Still, this school is a far cry from the private school experience you have discussed.

Reverent is not a term I would ascribe to my children’s school. The school uses the expeditionary learning model. There is discipline, but there is also a lot of getting up, moving around, talking, collaborating, going outside of the classroom, etc. A stranger walking into my children’s school would probably consider it rather irreverent.

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